他是我们家的‘厨师’，可以这么说，虽然只会煮泡面。

He's the 'chef' in our family, ___so-to-speak, though he can only cook instant noodles.

他成了这个项目的，可以说是，隐形领导者。

He became the, ___so-to-speak, invisible leader of the project.